RE: [sumo] Dohyo-iri

["ShiroiKuma" <ShiroiKuma@ShiroiKuma.com>]

Thatâs interesting. Iâve seen quite a few old ones too and I would think they were particularly crisp.

First, I thought those old movies are still wound a little faster than reality, though I have them on DVD, it seems like those old comedies, that you can tell theyâre faster then real life, if you know what I mean.

So that might be part of the crispness.

Second, what they did âcrisplyâ is the shiko part, especially, the stamping of the dohyou, this does seem really fast. But still, it just seems fast to me, not crisp.

The one difference I did notice sharply was the difference between the shiko now and then.

I.e. then itâs more like raising a knee up to the side of the body, they didnât extend their knee at all.

Nowadays every heya you go to, they will teach you to straighten even the knee of the raised leg.

So I thought thatâs really the difference number 1.

Later,

ShiroiKuma

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua A. Reyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:42 AM
To: Sumo Mailing List
Subject: Re: [sumo] Dohyo-iri

I recall seeing images of many of the early to mid-20th century Yokozuna 
like Futabayama and Futahaguro doing their dohyo-iri when NHK did their 
100 years of sumo retrospective.  One thing that struck me about these 
early dohyo-iri (as well as the yumitori-shiki) is how dynamic they were 
compared to todays deliberate and ritualized versions. (You could also 
note the tall, unbent seri-agari the Abe-san mentions.)  Early in his 
Yokozuna career, Musashimaru was lightly chided for his rushed 
dohyo-iri.  While I agree that you don't want it rushed like Maru's was, 
I wouldn't mind seeing some of that old dynanism, either.

Josh Reyer

Masumi wrote:

>Joe:
>
>Akebono is among the best except his shiko.
>The best of Akebono's Dohyoiri is his upper body not benting over and keeping
>upright.
>The best of Takanohana's Dohyoiri is the height of his shiko, except the
>position of the bottom of his raised foot.
>Takanohana bent down way too low at the start of seri-agari action after shiko.
>That is the same way Chiyonofuji did, and that was a bad model to copy from.
>The way Asashoryu flip over his hands at the beginning and the end are very
>similar way to Taiho's and I don't like either of them. I think they should keep
>their arms stretched while flipping their hands from palm up position to palm
>down position. Both Taiho and Asashoryu bend their elbows while flipping over
>their hands from facing up position to facing down.
>
>Toshiyori Masumiriki
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>Joe Klemmer wrote:
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>>        With the discussion of the proper way for doing things here lately it
>>brought up something I've been wondering.  With respect to dohyo-iri,
>>who do you think had the "best" rendition?  Who performed the best
>>dohyo-iri (say, in his prime)?  Maybe keep it restricted to Yokozuna
>>over the last 20 years.  The only ones I have seen are the movies on
>>banzuke.com so my experience is quite limited.
>>
>>        Opinions?  Thoughts?  Picks?
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>>--
>>Joe "Kuramarujo" Klemmer | Current rank: Maegashira 15
>>http://www.webtrek.com/~klemmerj/sumo.html
>>
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