Re: [sumo] Greg Lund : Stephen Dulka

["Whitney" <kishiko@charter.net>]

Well, I do not like some of the comments Mr. Dulka makes sometimes but I ignore them and yes he has the right to express his opinion. As for Asashoryu I feel the way Greg does. I support and defend him and sometimes I know that I am at odds with some of the list members. The issue I have with Greg is commenting on George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Guantanamo Bay. Politics do not have any place on this list. Sumo does. If you don't like something or someone politically, religiously or whatever then that is fine. But please keep the list topics to SUMO! I am sure their are political chats online somewhere. 

Whitney :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Lund" <jac@powerup.com.au>
To: <sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament


> There are a lot of very 'precious' people on this ML.
> 
> Personally, I don't much enjoy Mr Dulka's style either, but then I 
> think there are probably a lot of people who don't enjoy mine if it 
> comes to that.  It is clear though, that he enjoys his sumo as much 
> as I enjoy mine, and all of the rest of you enjoy yours.  That can 
> only be good for Sumo as a whole, and there has to be room for all 
> view points, and all manners of stating them.
> 
> This is not, after all,  George W.  Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's USA 
> that we are dealing with here. Surely we are all still entitled to 
> say what we believe, as we think it should be said, without being 
> consigned to the sumo equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.  When I get on my 
> hobby horse and berate people for not giving Asashoryu a fair go, I 
> obviously - from the feedback - get up some peoples' noses.  I'm 
> sorry about that, but it will never stop me from saying it.
> 
> It is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater when 
> making judgements like the ones shown below.  I know there is a whole 
> school of thought on the ML that cannot bring itself to believe that 
> sumo cannot be anything but pure, pristine, right down the line, 
> etc., etc.
> 
> Mr Dulka is quite right in pointing out that all is not necessarily 
> what it seems when it comes to jungyo and similar events  And that is 
> not even getting into the yaocho debate in honbasho, which is 
> something else again. It is simply Sumo as Entertainment - with a 
> capital E - which is what it should be seen as first and foremost. 
> As I have said more than once, anyone who believes in the sanctity of 
> Sumo probably also still believes in the tooth fairy.
> 
> I am not allying myself with Mr Dulka in any way, and I certainly am 
> not looking for his endorsements of my comments, because I am sure he 
> and I are still coming at sumo from very different perspectives. But 
> that is not a bad thing in any way. And  I can't help feeling that 
> the "sanctimonious ramblings" type comments below have less currency 
> on the ML than his original remarks in any case.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Greg Lund
> 
> Japan Access Corporation
> Brisbane
> Australia
> (But currently in Japan).
> 
> Australia to win the World Cup  - you heard it here first!!
> 
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> From: "Chris & Riko Shryock" <shryock@nirai.ne.jp>
> Subject: Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament
> 
> 
> Is is just me, or is anyone else tired of the santimonious ramblings of
> certain members of this list
> 
> -Kamakiri
> 
> 
> >  No. He did not. Nobody is crazy enough to go all out during a non-HONBASHO
> >  event.
> >
> >  Please get real.
> >
> >  Please stop writing falsehoods.
> >
> >  Enjoy SUMO as it is!
> 
> [EndPost by "Chris & Riko Shryock" <shryock@nirai.ne.jp>]
> 
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> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_M=F6llby?= <rasmus.mollby@home.se>
> Subject: SV: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament
> 
> No, it's not just you...
> 
> Tokimori (lurker)
> 
> >  -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> >  Fr蚣: owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu]
> F・
> >  Chris & Riko Shryock
> >  Skickat: den 6 oktober 2003 13:41
> >  Till: Stephan Dulka; moti; 'Sumo mail list'
> >  庭ne: Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament
> >
> >
> >  Is is just me, or is anyone else tired of the santimonious ramblings
> of
> >  certain members of this list
> >
> >  -Kamakiri
> >
> >
> >  > No. He did not. Nobody is crazy enough to go all out during a non-
> >  HONBASHO
> >  > event.
> >  >
> >  > Please get real.
> >  >
> >  > Please stop writing falsehoods.
> >  >
> >  > Enjoy SUMO as it is!
> >
> >  [EndPost by "Chris & Riko Shryock" <shryock@nirai.ne.jp>]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [EndPost by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_M=F6llby?= <rasmus.mollby@home.se>]
> 
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> [EndPost by Greg Lund <jac@powerup.com.au>]

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