Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament

[Greg Lund <jac@powerup.com.au>]

There are a lot of very 'precious' people on this ML.

Personally, I don't much enjoy Mr Dulka's style either, but then I 
think there are probably a lot of people who don't enjoy mine if it 
comes to that.  It is clear though, that he enjoys his sumo as much 
as I enjoy mine, and all of the rest of you enjoy yours.  That can 
only be good for Sumo as a whole, and there has to be room for all 
view points, and all manners of stating them.

This is not, after all,  George W.  Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's USA 
that we are dealing with here. Surely we are all still entitled to 
say what we believe, as we think it should be said, without being 
consigned to the sumo equivalent of Guantanamo Bay.  When I get on my 
hobby horse and berate people for not giving Asashoryu a fair go, I 
obviously - from the feedback - get up some peoples' noses.  I'm 
sorry about that, but it will never stop me from saying it.

It is important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater when 
making judgements like the ones shown below.  I know there is a whole 
school of thought on the ML that cannot bring itself to believe that 
sumo cannot be anything but pure, pristine, right down the line, 
etc., etc.

Mr Dulka is quite right in pointing out that all is not necessarily 
what it seems when it comes to jungyo and similar events  And that is 
not even getting into the yaocho debate in honbasho, which is 
something else again. It is simply Sumo as Entertainment - with a 
capital E - which is what it should be seen as first and foremost. 
As I have said more than once, anyone who believes in the sanctity of 
Sumo probably also still believes in the tooth fairy.

I am not allying myself with Mr Dulka in any way, and I certainly am 
not looking for his endorsements of my comments, because I am sure he 
and I are still coming at sumo from very different perspectives. But 
that is not a bad thing in any way. And  I can't help feeling that 
the "sanctimonious ramblings" type comments below have less currency 
on the ML than his original remarks in any case.

Cheers

Greg Lund

Japan Access Corporation
Brisbane
Australia
(But currently in Japan).

Australia to win the World Cup  - you heard it here first!!

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From: "Chris & Riko Shryock" <shryock@nirai.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament


Is is just me, or is anyone else tired of the santimonious ramblings of
certain members of this list

-Kamakiri


>  No. He did not. Nobody is crazy enough to go all out during a non-HONBASHO
>  event.
>
>  Please get real.
>
>  Please stop writing falsehoods.
>
>  Enjoy SUMO as it is!

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rasmus_M=F6llby?= <rasmus.mollby@home.se>
Subject: SV: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament

No, it's not just you...

Tokimori (lurker)

>  -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>  Fr蚣: owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu]
F淖
>  Chris & Riko Shryock
>  Skickat: den 6 oktober 2003 13:41
>  Till: Stephan Dulka; moti; 'Sumo mail list'
>  庭ne: Re: [sumo] more on the 1-day Nagoya tournament
>
>
>  Is is just me, or is anyone else tired of the santimonious ramblings
of
>  certain members of this list
>
>  -Kamakiri
>
>
>  > No. He did not. Nobody is crazy enough to go all out during a non-
>  HONBASHO
>  > event.
>  >
>  > Please get real.
>  >
>  > Please stop writing falsehoods.
>  >
>  > Enjoy SUMO as it is!
>
>  [EndPost by "Chris & Riko Shryock" <shryock@nirai.ne.jp>]




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