[sumo] oshi-dashi'd message

["Christopher J. Basten" <cbasten@statgen.ncsu.edu>]

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Subject: Re: [sumo] Wajima/hero factor
From: Joe Klemmer <klemmerj@webtrek.com>
To: sumo@statgen.ncsu.edu

On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 16:49, Lynn Matsuoka wrote:

> Not as a player? Rose placed a bet on  his own team losing, while he was
> playing  on the team- that is  absolutely as  a player. Wajima was kicked out
> of sumo NOT for what he did on the dohyo, but something he did that betrayed
> the trust honor and sanctity of the sumo society- same thing.
> I agree that ³Sportsmen are acknowledged mainly for their acheivements(sic)
> on the field of play²  but a long as these people are considered heroes and
> kids look up to them, then I think that  any personal criminal or in inhumane
> behavior should absolutely be considered as part of their legacy. Given all
> the infrmation, you are free to admire them in any case- your call.

	I agree with Lynn.  Pete Rose was guilty of more than just bad behavior
in his personal life (I can't speak to Wajima).  An example of a sports
hero who is still considered as hero despite his off-field "antics"
would be the Babe.  He wasn't a saint, by any means, but never tarnished
the game or his fans.  Hell, even Ty Cobb (who was probably the meanest,
most cruel son-of-a-b*tch that ever lived) didn't disgrace the game.

	Now it must also be said that in those days the media (i.e. sports
reporters) had a bit more discretion about what they printed.  There's
the story about the Bambino...  The Yankees were on a train after a game
and there was the usual gathering of sports reporters in the club car
drinking and talking.  All of a sudden a woman came running through,
half dressed and screaming.  Hot on her heals was the Babe, naked as the
day he was born.  After they passed through one of the reporters turned
to the rest and said something like, "It's a good thing we didn't see
that.  Otherwise we'd have to write about it."

-- 
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I close my eyes and maybe I'm already there.


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