Re: Itai on CNN

["Chuck Finberg" <cfinberg@wco.com>]

On interesting feature of this discussion has been that the yaocho bouts
that were reported in the press don't seem to have been the 7-7 v. 6-8 and
7-7 v. 8-6 bouts which I've been "predicting" for the last couple of years.
So, not only are there what Abe-san tells us are called "kata yaocho," but
there are reportedly bouts that occur outside of what could be attributed to
an almost gentlemanly custom of ensuring that a substantial majority of
rikishi each basho get their kachi-koshi.
-
Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Petrow <ae893@detroit.freenet.org>
To: <sumo@brooks.statgen.ncsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Itai on CNN


Only two would know about a particular yaocho, but long term statistics
bear out its existance as well.  I'm not sure what the winning percentage
is for 7-7 rikishi against 8-6 rikishi, but over the last twenty years I'm
willing to bet it's around 90%.  In a world with no yaocho, this would be
less than 50%, since an 8-6 rikishi should be performing "better" than an
7-7 rikishi.  Also, a 9-6 record assures a higher promotion than an 8-7
record, so it's not like they don't have any incentive to win.  They just
have a higher incentive to lose, namely "banking" the victory to hopefully
use at a time when they need it more.

We need to have "yaocho" as a tactic in the Virtual Sumo game.  Throw a
match, and next basho have the guy fight against you at only 80% or
such...

  - Joe

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Da Kine Sumo E-zine & Web site from Kawika wrote:

> Agreed, it takes two to yaocho.
>
>
> >From: Matt Waggoner <matt@waggoner.com>
> >To: sumo@brooks.statgen.ncsu.edu
> >Subject: Re: Itai on CNN
> >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 19:26:31 -0800
> >
> >Can't, technically, a rikishi only know about his own yaocho as well as
the
> >yaocho of whoever he's yaochoing with?  I mean if it is arranged, then
> >presumably both parties know it.  Unless the loser loses on purpose and
the
> >winner thinks it was a fair bout, but there would seem to be little point
> >in doing that.
> >
> >At 02:14 2/3/00 GMT, you wrote:
> > >Bottom line, the only person who knows, really knows, whether yaocho
was
> > >committed or not, is the wrestler who does it, period.
> > >
> > >So Itai, the guy who just wants money and popularity, IMHO a dickhead,
> >can
> > >'fess up to his own yaocho and that is it.
> > >
> > >Fixing the outcome of sporting events is not unique to sumo.  I think
> >this
> > >just some sad person's effort to get attention and money.  I pity Itai.
> >I
> > >wonder if his chanko-nabe restaurant is busy now or not cause of this
> >stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Stefan Gelow <f95-sge@nada.kth.se>
> > >>To: sumo@brooks.statgen.ncsu.edu
> > >>Subject: Re: Itai on CNN
> > >>Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:45:36 +0100
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >What's especially sad is that, by the end of the press conference,
it
> >was
> > >> >clear that, while  he was telling the truth about ten years and more
> >ago
> > >> >(when he himself was a major culprit), he had no solid information
> >about
> > >> >what was happening today; only his own opinion.
> > >>
> > >>So, what you mean is that there is enough other circumstances besides
> >the
> > >>Itai story, to confirm that he tells the complete truth about the time
> >when
> > >>he was himself an active rikishi?
> > >>
> > >>Stefan Gelow
> > >>
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