Re: Heya history

[Stefan Gelow <f95-sge@nada.kth.se>]

I send this to the whole ML so that it can be revised and corrected by
anyone feeling the urge to do that...

At 13:01 2000-02-02 +0100, you wrote:
>Which Sumo beya is the oldest?

This depends on what you mean...
Quite a few of the current toshiyori have been around since the 18th century
and some of them were stables then and they are stables now. Still, this
does not necessarily mean that they have been stables for all that time.
Stable masters have died without successors and 20 or 100 years later an
oyakata with that name have decided to start their own heya. It should be
said though that the number of heyas is currently very high (record or very
near) and it's much more common than before that oyakatas branch off to make
their own sumo stable.
I believe that Isenoumi might be the oldest of the current stables dating
back to the beginning of organized (the "ancestor" of todays Nihon Sumo
Kyokai in Edo was founded 1761, I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong)
sumo in the 18th century. Another stable from the 18th century is Dewanoumi.

>If I got it right it is closed if the oyakata
>quits and does not have a direct successor.So how old is the current
>Futagoyama Beya?Was it opened by Wakanohana 1. or did he get it from his
>teacher?
Former Futagoyama oyakata (former Wakanohana-1) branched off from Hanakago
to form his own stable, Futagoyama. I believe there might have been a
Futagoyama stable earlier in the 20th century though (anyone knows for
sure?), although not when Wakanohana-1 became the oyakata.


I nearly have the same question on Kokonoe Beya.Was it opened by
>Chiyonoyama?
Kokonoe was started by Chiyonoyama when the succession of Dewanoumi was
denied him because of the marriage between Yokozuna Sadanoyama and the
former stable masters daughter. Kokonoe-beya is now part of the
Takasago-ichimon.

>The German Eurosport commentator once said that Wakanohana will become
>Futagoyama Oyakata once he retires.Is that correct?Or will he have to wait
>until his father is 65?Someone on the ML also mentioned that Takanohana
>might also get Futagoyama Beya.

Since Futagoyama is only 50 right now he COULD be the oyakata for another 15
years, and by that time both Wakanohana and Takanohana will have retired. I
think it will be quite an interesting story ending with one or the other of
the brothers starting a new Fujishima-beya. Because of the different
disputes the last few years, between Futagoyama and Takanohana, as well as
the rumours that some of this anger come from the fact that Wakanohana has
been promised the Futagoyama stable, despite having the least successful
career, many have thought that Wakanohana will take over. Beyond rumours and
speculation, I don't think there are much hard facts on how the former ozeki
Takanohana wants the future of Futagoyama and Fujishima to be.


>The commentator also once said that Takatoriki gets Taiho Beya when he
>retires.So if he hangs up his Mawashi in March will he get it directly or
>will he have to wait until Taiho is too old?

A guess is that Takatoriki will have to wait till the retirement of Taiho.
First he'll probably use up his 2 year of jun-toshiyori status, after which
he will take his Odake-kabu (kicking out former juryo Dairyu) and when Taiho
is retired or feel his declining health stops him from continuing,
Takatoriki will use the Taiho-beya rooms and rikishi to form his Odake-beya.



>Christian "Chiyozakura" Borghardt
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